Kill Anything That Moves: Dereliction of Duty, Part One, by Robert Gore

History is not always written by the winners.

I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

United States Army Oath of Enlistment

The Vietnam Memorial lists over 58,000 dead. Many more sustained serious, life-altering wounds, physical and psychological. If only we had taken off the kid gloves, goes the refrain, we wouldn’t have lost in Vietnam. We didn’t bring to bear the full weight of American firepower, and our “warriors” were hampered by senseless, politically driven rules of engagement.

In one sense the refrain is true. The US didn’t carpet bomb North and South Vietnam with nuclear weapons. That kid glove stayed on. Other than that, the assertion is complete bunk.

Between 1965 and 1972, the US and South Vietnam air forces flew 3.4 million combat sorties, the plurality over South Vietnam. Their bombing was the equivalent of 640 Hiroshima-sized atomic bombs, and South Vietnam got the brunt of it. The provincial capital district of Quang Tri, the northernmost South Vietnamese province, received 3,000 bombs per square kilometer. Between 1965 and 1973, the US Strategic Air Command launched at least 126,615 B-52 bomber sorties, again the majority of them targeted to South Vietnam.

In 1969, US units fired 10 million artillery rounds, and over the course of the war they expended almost 15 billions pounds of artillery shells. By the end of the war, formerly scenic South Vietnam featured an estimated 21 million craters, which wreaked havoc on the landscape and largely destroyed its agricultural-based economy. Keep in mind South Vietnam was the US’s ally. North Vietnam, the enemy, also sustained massive casualties and destruction.

Bombs and munitions weren’t the US’s only weapons. An estimated 400,000 tons of napalm, a jellied incendiary designed to stick to clothes and skin and burn, were dropped in Southeast Asia. Thirty-five percent of victims die within fifteen to twenty minutes. White phosphorus, another incendiary, burns when exposed to air and keeps burning, often through an entire body, until oxygen is cut off. The US Air Force bought more than 3 million white phosphorus rockets during the war, and the military bought 379 million M-34 white phosphorus grenades in 1969 alone. The US also sprayed more than 70 million tons of herbicide, usually Agent Orange, further decimating indigenous agriculture and destroying the countryside.

A “pineapple” cluster bomblet was a small container filled with 250 steel pellets. One B-52 could drop 1,000 pineapples across a 400-yard area, spewing 250,000 pellets. “Guava” cluster bombs were loaded with 640 to 670 bomblets, each with 300 steel pellets, so a single guava sent over 200,000 steel fragments in all directions when it hit the ground. Pineapples and guavas were designed to maim, to tax the enemy’s medical and support systems. Between 1964 and 1971, the US military ordered 37 million pineapples. From 1966 to 1971, it ordered 285 million guavas, or seven each for every man woman and child in North and South Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia combined.

No other conclusion is possible: the US waged unrestricted (other than not using nuclear weapons) industrial war against the far less well-armed Viet Cong and North Vietnamese Army.

Most Americans think the My Lai massacre was an unfortunate anomaly. That delusion is a lingering tragedy of Vietnam. Plenty of villages were burned and leveled, farm animals and crops destroyed, and unarmed and visibly helpless women, children, and old people—generally counted as VC in the often meretricious statistics—murdered. Some of the villages contained Viet Cong, some did not, and that was often not the first concern or even a cited justification for US troops. The slaughter was frequently wanton, or indiscriminate vengeance for American troops killed or wounded, not to fight the enemy.

In 1964, 40 percent of the South Vietnamese countryside was considered under Viet Cong control or influence and was thus a free-fire zone: shoot first, ask questions later. By 1968, according to a US Senate study, an estimated 300,000 South Vietnamese, or over five times the US personnel killed during the entire war, had been killed in free-fire zones. That its rules of engagement prevented the US military from killing anyone in Vietnam is an obscene distortion of reality. My Lai was anomalous only because it was publicized and some of its perpetrators were brought before military justice.

All figures and policies cited are from Nick Turse’s meticulously documented study Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War In Vietnam (American Empire Project) (Metropolitan Books, 2013), which relies primarily on US government archives and sources, and interviews with former military personnel. It’s an excellent book that many Americans should read but few will (it should be required reading for anyone entering the US military or the State Department). Americans would rather stare at their bloodshot eyes and distorted faces in the mirror after a night of drink, debauchery, and dinner discharge than glance at Vietnam.

The war shattered many of those who fought it. There was the inevitable combat violence and horror, and the depravity of murder and destruction inflicted upon innocents. Many turned to drugs, readily available, and many worked the various rackets themselves: drugs, weapons, currencies and military scrip, pimping, and child trafficking.

Over a relatively short period of time, you begin to treat all of the Vietnamese as though they are the enemy. If you can’t tell, you shoot first and ask questions later.

W.D. Ehrhart, quoted in Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War In Vietnam

The quote frames the moral void and the intellectual paradox at the heart of Vietnam: if everyone is your enemy, for who and for what are you fighting? When the devastation and death you’ve inflicted on your ally are greater than what you’ve inflicted on the ostensible enemy, how can you pretend that your ally will not become your enemy? What are you doing there?

A few bought off sycophants within your satrapy will always spout the party line, but out there in the countryside, hamlets, villages, towns, and cities you’ve destroyed, you will be hated and your enemy succored. Common nationality and heritage—and a history of oppression by a string of imperial powers—will inevitably triumph over your money, arms, and feeble “hearts and minds” programs, all designed to cover your imperialistic designs. No one with an ounce of brains and intellectual integrity is fooled, particularly not your own soldiers in the field.

It was almost impossible for those soldiers to question the policies that required them to do what they did, much less oppose or expose them. The risks ranged from ostracism to discipline, court-martial and military prison to death by friendly fire. Any effort would almost certainly have been futile, changing nothing.

But what about the military’s upper echelon? How did it acquiesce to a war that was destroying the country it was ostensibly meant to save, killing the people it was ostensibly meant to protect, clearly and understandably turning allies into enemies, and taking the lives and souls of the soldiers in their charge who had to fight it? Where were they, and where have they been since then as the US government has repeated the same mistaken policies over and over again? Have they supported and defended “the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic,” bearing “true faith and allegiance” to the same?

There are more civilians killed here per day than VC either by accident or on purpose and that’s just plain murder. I’m not surprised that there are more VC. We make more VC than we kill by the way these people are treated. I won’t go into detail but some of the things that take place would make you ashamed of good old America.

From the dairy of US Marine Ed Austin as quoted in Kill Anything That Moves: The Real American War In Vietnam

Next: Betrayal by the Brass: Dereliction of Duty, Part 2

WHEN HONOR WAS MORE THAN JUST A WORD

AMAZON

KINDLE

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30 responses to “Kill Anything That Moves: Dereliction of Duty, Part One, by Robert Gore

  1. The truth about war is blood and unbounded evil from any and all involved. Yet it’s also the history of our human race, and probably it’s future as well. We are without a doubt the APEX predator of biological evolution on this planet.
    The truth is that the US has developed the means and practices to directly kill 100’s of thousands and maybe even more indirectly, yet lose comparatively few of our own soldiers. Our loss of 58,000 was a drop in a bucket compared to the losses of the South, the North, and the Cong–and we’ve gotten even better at it since.
    We’ve lost what–less than 10,000 or so in Iraq and Afghanistan, direct and indirect, and yet some estimates of losses to the two countries approach a million or so. Now with drones, we can kill hundreds, even thousands without one loss, without even exposing our own manpower to military exposure.
    But worse than any of that is the joy we, as Americans, take in being lied to and propagandized into supporting the atrocities of us against them. Our history is indeed a black chasm.

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  2. “And we fight as we have always fought. To kill the niggers who stand in our way and expand the American nation. It is, and has always been, our goal” Douglas MacArthor Sr.
    (spell?) 1899. As we did in “The Mexican war” and the “Indian wars”, so we did in the Civil war and in the Spanish American war and WW2. In the Pacific war and Japan and Korea and Vietnam and Afghanistan and Iraq. It makes it one hell of a lot easier to slaughter children and firebomb cities if you can stop seeing them as humans or think of it as a holy crusade(Europe WW2). Vietnam WAS NOT an anomaly. It is the way wars are fought. All wars. We bombed Tokyo , Osaka, and Yokohama with Napalm and “Willy Pete” and burned 300 THOUSAND mostly women and children alive IN ONE NIGHT! We carpet bombed European cities with no military value Twenty Four Hours a day, for four years, just to kill the civilian population. We kept WW2 going against Japan for most of a year after they had collapsed, just to test the Atomic bomb on city’s filled with those we felt were less than human. So why the Angst about Vietnam? We started the current round of Mideast murder in 1990 (or 1981 if you count our third invasion of Lebanon with its bombing and shelling. Or 1958 if you go all the way back to the first invasion. Most don’t) It has been going strong ever since. So why the Hang up about Nam?

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  4. Nam Vet 0331 Marine Grunt

    Ray’s last sentence stands out to me: “So why the Hang up about Nam?”

    Killing is a by product of war, every war by every tribe or nation since the beginning. Victory is the end game. We got lost in the process in Nam…a 16 year land war in Asia???

    Read: This Time We Win by James S. Robbins.

    Johnson micro managed the war and was convinced he could force North Vietnam to negotiate peace by attrition and by grinding them down, he never intended a military victory, deciding against decisive war ending action time and time again. He was wrong and eventually decided to not run again for President. Nixon took over with a strategy of Vietnamization in 1969 (I was there then) pulling us out over five years but still supporting the South with air power, advisers, and eventually minimum ground troops. A slow Peace with Honor…killing everything that moves lost in the process meat grinder.

    I had a uncle I was close to…I spent a lot of time with him when I came home from Nam…he understood. He went through France and Germany with an M1 and just like us…at times…he killed anything that moved.

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  5. Nam Vet 0331 Marine Grunt

    It varied…I spent some time at an outpost protecting a Christian Village (10% of the South was Christian) they loved us. Other areas were the opposite, nothing but booby traps and snipers, but most of my time was in the deep bush in completely free fire zones killing anything that moves.

    Most of what I know about the Vietnam War is from a small library I have read (pros and cons, hawks and doves, and those throwing fast balls up the middle) just trying to figure it out.

    War Conclusion: God did not make us to do what we do to one another in any war, 98% of the survivors (outside of physical wounds) will pay a severe cost…the severity increasing with the closeness and frequency of the killing, gore, trauma. 1% are controlled psychopaths who will like it and have to be forced to go home. 1% are uncontrollable psychopaths who will get kicked out or killed by one of the 99%.

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  6. What utter crap. If you drop 20,000 tons of explosive in a jungle will anyone notice? The author wasn’t there or he wouldn’t utter such BS. I can guess that the author demonstrated long and hard against the war. Had our B-52s hit targets of military importance as they did at the end of the war thousands of lives would have been saved and Hanoi forced to the negotiation table. But our dhimmirats did everything they could to lose the war. And they sold out our allies and sold out our troops.

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    • Yes, your response is exactly what I was thinking. 20,000 lbs of ordnance WOULD have had an effect in Hanoi or other population centers. Robin Olds,
      the famous WWII, Korea, Vietnam fighter pilot said they were forced by the brass to fly the same routes in EVERY TIME they bombed around Hanoi. As a result, the N. Vietnamese just lined up their antiaircraft batteries right along that route. Olds said he heard the North had more batteries of AA than Germany did protecting the homeland in WWII> Also, if a plane couldn’t find the original target, they weren’t allowed to seek targets of opportunity. That makes no sense at all. So all this article’s bleating about we used plenty of bombs on N. Vietnam is just a bunch of blather.

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    “Most Americans think the My Lai massacre was an unfortunate anomaly. That delusion is a lingering tragedy of Vietnam.”

    I take specific issue with this sentence – paragraph…the author didn’t mention the thousands and thousands of innocent civilians the NVA murdered in Hue during Tet 68 (teachers, South Vietnamese government clerks, doctors) many found buried alive, their hands tied behind their back with barb wire.

    The differences in MY LAI and the HUE Massacre and how they were reported and are still being written about are in a chapter of the book:

    “This Time We Win” by James S. Robbins – The most compelling book I have read about Nam…and I was there.

    Rich Collins is right – the author of this article is clueless about Nam all he has done is regurgitate a political slant he shares from Nick Turse’s book of the same title as his article. Neither one of them know what they are talking about.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Turse

    In another review of Turse’s book, Peter Zinoman and Gary Kulik have accused Turse of omitting crucial context, selectively quoting “inflammatory witness comments” without corroboration, and pursuing an “ideologically driven caricature of the war in Vietnam. They also criticized Turse’s approach as outdated and isolated from the current revisionist trends in the historical study of military violence against civilians. They stated that Turse’s book continues following the orthodox approach–the “Americanist view of the war in Vietnam in history and memory”. Turse’s work was pointed out as partial, misleading, and flawed methodologically. “[56] Gary Kulik contends that the works of Nick Turse and one of his mentors, Christian Appy, are overly- supportive to the official Vietnamese communist narrative of the war that attempts to erase any histories/memories of South Vietnam before and after the North Vietnamese communist government violated the 1972 Paris Peace Accord, attacked, and took over Saigon and the South Vietnam.[57]

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    • I didn’t mention the NVA atrocities because I wasn’t talking about the NVA, I was talking about the US. I used Turse’s book for two purposes: statistics on various aspects of the war, most taken from the US government’s own records, and documentation of various American atrocities. My specific purpose in doing so is to establish a larger point: we weren’t going to “save” South Vietnam by destroying it and alienating the population. It was a fundamentally flawed premise that could have produced no other result than what it did. In part 2, I’m going to argue that that premise has produced the same results in a string of US military engagements since Vietnam, and that the military leadership is guilty of a collective and massive dereliction of duty. That’s my “political” slant, such as it is.

      You can cite all the reviews you want–I’m sure I could find a few that go the other way–but none of the reviews cited, or anything you say in your comment, challenges at all either the statistics I used or the well-established record of numerous US atrocities (again, Turse relies on US records and interviews with American soldiers and South Vietnamese victims). If you want to challenge my use of Turse’s book on that basis, fine. As it is, I regard your criticism as an essentially irrelevant exercise that has its own political slant and resorts to labels (“clueless”) and implied name calling (“communist”).

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  9. Nam Vet 0331 Marine Grunt

    Robert,
    Well then lets mention the NVA? I’ was done with unbalanced ugly American Nam Vet portrayals many, many decades ago. (Read “Stolen Valor” for helpful insight).

    Everyone has a political slant, that is a given. I used the review to prove what Rich Collins suspected and had posted. So how about a balanced article talking about the routine terrorism tactics the Viet Cong and the NVA committed against the South Vietnamese? You can throw in the CIA’s Phoenix program to bolster your point. But at least lets discuss both sides?

    Here is one I witnessed: One night outside Hill 65 the VC slipped into the Vill and gathered the family of a Vill leader (who was supporting us as we were re-building his Vill, the bridge they needed that the VC blew up, giving medical aid etc.) They slit the youngest son’s throat in front of the entire family as a lesson…as they watched begging and crying.

    TET 68 is one of the best examples of how a crushing Viet Cong & NVA military defeat was eventually turned into a US defeat and how the brutal murder of innocent civilians by the Viet Cong & NVA (their proven policy against Pro Southern villagers) was taken to a level unseen in that war until that massacre of about 5,000 innocents. But of course that massacre was nothing compared to what they (the COMMUNISTS) would commit in the Killing Fields after we left Southeast Asia and they had full control. They did their killing the old fashioned way without the technology we had, close up with guns, bayonets and machetes, with hardly a “by your leave Sir” from the former American anti-war peanut gallery.

    If you have read Robbin’s book we can continue the debate and point counter one another with all the wit and political slants and first hand accounts available from our keyboards.

    But, if you haven’t read this book and considered the massive counter points and documented facts it lays out opposite “Kill Anything that Moves” the “irrelevant exercise” (you words not mine) of your political slant will put a serious crook in your straight line logic. End of my comments.

    From the Amazon link:
    This Time We Win: Revisiting the Tet Offensive Hardcover – September 14, 2010

    “Most of what Americans know about the Tet Offensive is wrong. The brief 1968 battle during the Vietnam conflict marked the dividing line between gradual progress towards an ill-defined victory, and slow descent to a humiliating defeat. The fact that the enemy was, in fact, handily defeated on the ground was immaterial; that they could mount an attack at all was deemed a military triumph for the Vietcong. At least this is the received wisdom of Tet.

    In This Time We Win, James S. Robbins at last provides an antidote to the flawed Tet mythology that continues to shape the perceptions of American military conflicts against unconventional enemies and haunt our troops in combat. Indeed, America’s enemies recognize and find inspiration in the prevailing Tet narrative.

    In his thorough re-examination of the Tet Offensive, Robbins examines the battle in the familiar frameworks of terrorism, war crimes, intelligence failure, troop surges, leadership breakdown, and media bias. The result is an explosion of the conventional wisdom on this infamous battle, one that offers real lessons for today’s unconventional wars. Without a clear understanding of these lessons, we will find ourselves reliving the Tet Offensive again and again.”

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  10. Nam Vet 0331 Marine Grunt

    Excellent…Me too!

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  11. I took Logic in College and I try to teach my students to think logically. So when I see Math statements that don’t make sense I start to question two things. I question the critical thinking ability of the writer and I question their attention to detail.

    In order to have flown 3,400,000 sorties in 2920 days the US would have to have flown 1164 sorties per day, which works out to a little less than one per minute for eight straight years. Since Rolling Thunder and Tet peaked at about 4000 sorties per month, from whom do you get those figures?

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    • I got the number from Turse’s book, and the footnote for the statistic is: Earl Tilfor, “Air Power, Role in War,” in Spencer Tucker, ed., The Encyclopedia of the Vietnam War: A Political, Social and Military History (New York: Oxford University Press, 1998), 7; Thayer, War Without Fronts, 80-81. For more, see Matthew Kocher et al., “Aerial Bombing and Counterinsurgency in the Vietnam War,” American Journal of Political Science 55, no.2(2011),5.

      I must say, though, the number looks out of whack. I didn’t do the math, but 1164 sorties per day seems excessive, unless perhaps helicopter runs are included. The exact sentence from Turse: “Between 1965 and 1972, U.S. and South Vietnamese aircraft flew 3.4 million combat sorties in Southeast Asia, with a plurality of those conducted in South Vietnam.” That would not preclude helicopter runs.

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  12. hi Bob.
    another well thought out, reasearched, hard hitting and truthfull article. am too sick now to get my bp up refuting some of the propaganda and bs in the comment section but i was as you know part and parcel of the phoenix program anf the taking of the opium trade from the french for the cia’s black budget and have in deed done my share of drop offs in the delta of russian surplus weapons for opium prossessed into cake for our troops and hippies back home. i monitored and helped in the build up of arms to the vc in IV and V corps and am not about to engage in a link this bullshit war with deluded posers online and do not have permission to mess up the lives or family reputations of those who were with me in this evil. the build up was to justify the johnson buildup. that idea that the commies were stringing up villiage elders and disembowling them was our very own cia goons. those evil ugly men i told you about meeting in the midst of god knows where down there and after we left the alleged killing fields done by the commies.
    as an old black woman orator of the 1800’s would say “gentlemen, where is the proof of your argument”.
    wish i had more to give but my health is just too bad now but could not let a good honest man be hung out to dry.
    crazy uncle frankie fleabaggs who lives in the attic and a duly sworn ally of mr. robert gore.

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  13. Nam Vet 0331 Marine Grunt

    http://ngothelinh.tripod.com/Hue.html

    No one is disputing the Phoenix program or evil on both sides by all parties involved, in Nam or any other war. They all are pure evil.

    Robert said he would review: “This Time We Win” and then comment on some interesting points I made. The link above presents evidence of one of the points in the debate.

    Keep your personal insults to yourself.

    I hope your health improves.

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  14. I was responding to second hand sideways insults as well as direct insults to to Bob who doesn’t need my help and those of us who lost huge chunks of our best years believing we were saving democracy and keeping our mothers safe. I was there for all of 68 and was privy to and took part in ” Our Deception”. I worked directly for vice admiral Zumwalt and rear admiral Veth and did not at any time have to get my knowledge of the war from “BOOKS”. The NVA and VC did not have the means to flatten entire villages and cities in IV and V corps spewing napalm and agent orange over the entire population drivingthousands of people into the cities and into a most horrible destitution of hunger, humiliation and despair. I saw it first hand and was in on the lie that we didn’t know the build up for TeT was happening. We used it to justify our escalation. reciting the company line of all war being evil but ours was needed to save mom and apple pie is a far greater insult and sin against humanity than any dirt i did over there. hows that for a personal insult.

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  15. Nam Vet 0331 Marine Grunt

    Frank,
    I’m glad you got healthy! Sincerely.

    Don’t throw general sideways “poser” insults in a blog I have 5 posts in and you won’t get my line: “Keep your personal insults to yourself.” Your dirt is your dirt, mine is mine. You want to debate? Bang a gong let’s get it on.

    I don’t care how defensive you are of Robert…he can more then take care of himself and obviously relishes a good debate.

    As for my line about “BOOKS” it meant the actual history. I was just a 19 year old Grunt PFC – Lance Corporal humping the 60. I fought it from the business end of Guns Up and the pulled pin of a lot of frags…once with a .45 from two feet. About a 4th to a 3rd of the grunts I was with were KIA…and about a 4th to a 3rd were serious WIA (limb, limbs, spine, trauma head, etc.) some lucky few like me with just multiple scars, A meager handful actually put their 12 & 20 in without getting hit in the Grunts. We had 12 hearts in my rolling five man gun team in 8 months and I got 3 of them. I don’t need or will tolerate another Nam Vet sideways insulting me and I don’t care what Admiral he was around.

    I’m frigg’in sick and tired of hearing about MY LIA and never hearing about the gigantic, massive HUE Massacre that dwarfed it. I’m sick and tired of hearing about how evil we were like Communism hasn’t ended up slaughtering more innocents than any other ideology in history…and is even staging a comeback. Was Nam a cluster fuck…yea…did it have to be? No! I suspect Roberts next piece will provide those details.

    Now…one of my counter points with Robert was the BOOK: “This Time We Win”…I didn’t get my combat experience from it as you implied…but the extensive footnotes back up his political slant and it is one that I share. Robert has ordered it and will comment on it. Have you read the BOOK? It goes far, far past my narrow experience and I suspect yours as well. Significant footnotes.

    As far as the NVA’s and VC’s pure evil conduct (less technology much simpler tactics) did you not open the link in my last post? Comments?

    http://ngothelinh.tripod.com/Hue.html

    Comments?

    One quote from the link: “At least half of these showed clear evidence of atrocity killings: hands wired behind backs, rags stuffed in mouths, bodies contorted but without wounds (indicating burial alive).”

    Frank…It don’t mean nothing!

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  20. And today, decades later, our textile industry is destroyed and the Commie Vietnamese and Chicoms now make the underwear you all wear. The communism we allegedly defended against we now embrace as we fund the very same ideology through trade imbalances and trillion dollar trade deficits with the Red Chinese.

    We should never have been in South Vietnam. Nor should we have been fighting more than 19 undeclared wars since 1947.

    “A Bright, Shining Lie….”

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  21. Nam Vet 0331 Marine Grunt

    Hey Dan…Don’t lump me in with the Commie Vietnamese and Chicom under wearing trade imbalance, trade deficits crowd. My boys are comfortable at home snug in American made DULUTH!!!

    https://www.duluthtrading.com/store/mens/mens-underwear/mens-boxers-mens-briefs/mens-boxers-mens-briefs.aspx

    Impossible to not agree with your second paragraph…I too wish we had been led around 20 undeclared wars. The dereliction of duty list is a long one.

    Seems like it started with the very first bright shining lie in the Garden of Eden and we have been killing anything that moves since. I don’t think we will have peace…until the Prince of it comes back.

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  22. Mr. Nam Vet,

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Duluth skivvies are “Made in Thailand”. Not quite Commies, but close enough. Nevertheless, you ain’t wearin’ no “Made in America” undies. Those days are over. Killed by treasonous free traders in CON-gress and the Oval Office.

    Can you use some salt with that crow you’ll be eating ?

    Perhaps we can discuss “peace” or the lack thereof a little bit later ?

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  24. Nam Vet 0331 Marine Grunt

    Dan…my man…you don’t have to call me Mr Nam Vet…GRUNT is the handle I am proud of…and earned.

    Ok…you can call me MR. GRUNT.

    We agree on the treason aspect…shoot, shot, shit…you could have an accidental discharge in DC and hit a modern day Benedict Arnold.

    I know we agree on the CON-gress (as I have blogged that term myself) as well as a series of Presidents from the former CIA NWO weasel with lips you couldn’t read to the two term Trojan Horse who drinks his own bath water.

    I’ll stop there.

    Eating no crow…it was joke…I know what has been done to U.S. (But I do go out of my way to buy American…the American globalists can sit on a red-white and blue sharpened pungi stick – its called sharp irony).

    http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/mens/workwear/usa-made/american-made.aspx

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  25. Nam Vet 0331 Marine Grunt

    The Vietnam Documentary And Military Lessons
    by Bing West
    Tuesday, September 19, 2017

    http://www.hoover.org/research/vietnam-documentary-and-military-lessons

    After watching most of the Burns/PBS segments I agree with and can do no better in reviewing VIETNAM then the link above.

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